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Re: Brrr and wut wit TLR?
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no w0dk4
keep the downloads, demanding them would damage TSP aswell as other FL sites and thats not in my interest

i just want the the hosting of that database transfered to TLR as the rights aswell as the responsibilty (a website owner also has duties regarding the data) over that database has been transfered to me.
I already told you that you dont need to destroy that database and that if I fail with TLR you can bring it up again.

You have no loss at all.

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hmmm
why is it so hard for you to let a database that is not yours return to its original community?

i mean the data was submitted to TLR and actually u are wrong with the statement that it is copyrighted to lancersreactor.com and that godaddy would hold the copyright.
only natural persons or companies can hold rights by law and in case of websites the owner of the domain holds the right on the data. Only that owner is allowed to hand over rights to the next owner. This has been done, from BP to mentalchaos to azza and finally to me.
This is btw. law in almost every country on this planet (china and north korea excluded).
Right now the FL archives violates the copyright laws, the data privacy law (in somewhat more than 20.000 cases) and several laws regarding property.
So actually we can continue to argue over it which might lead to unpleasant results or we agree to let this personal crap drop finally and think about what is good for FL.

Is this possible or do we really have to go on this way?

1. You want that i dont bring up the past any longer? OK, you can have that. No such posts anymore here and on other sites.
2. In exchange I want that you stop bashing other FL sites including the SWAT Portal and TLR.
3. You want that I allow links to TSP and place links to it on my sites. You can have that.
4. In exchange I clearly want that the FL databases that you currently host gets removed. It will become part of the current TLR site where it will serve the purpose to bring new and old FL players to the Freelancer community. You will be able to access all the data that you can access now and even more as I am able to restore even more.
Right now you only use that archive to read on old threads, I will use it to bring old and new players to FL. Players that might end up on your servers. If you dont want to raise the daily freelancer player base by 50 players or 100 or more then just say it.

This is the deal i want to offer. A deal where no side does loose something but both can win.
So like LS said can we finally "STOP" it?

Posted on: 2010/10/27 16:53
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*Sigh*
so it doesnt matter if I am here or not, the bashing keeps going on
well ok, keep showing your real face then

after letting this issue drop for 2 days and being told that nothing has changed at all i came to some pretty simple conclusions

1. you said that everything FF and w0dk4 have done wrong in the past does not matter (no matter how much damage it caused)... ok
this statement is followed how many sites of bashing going into my direction?
How comes that the statement "past is past" does only apply to them? I mean you refer this right to yourself while you dont grant it to others and keep bashing them?
Based on "the past is past" everyone is free of guilt.... you, me, mental, azza...
2. based on that i came here to let the past drop... i came here to make an offer... i clearly ignored my personal feelings towards certain people when i wrote my very first post on this thread. I was willing to lay down all grudges (and i meanwhile have repeated it 2 times) to make an offer to TSP. My first post infact did not contain a demand nor any hostile comments.
The offer i was going to make is exactly the same offer that the others got and those also were not faced by demands or anything like that. Furthermore it is to be said that i asked for permission to link back to features hosted by the other communities.
3. the very first demand was coming from w0dk4 telling me that I have to place a link to TSP on my sites and the blame that i am not hosting the TSP community bar
4. sticking with the links i have stated that i might consider to establish a policy at TLR not to link to a site that is bashing TLR members. You keep blaming me for such a statement but in the end it is the response to your behaviour. If you want this policy being lifted then why dont you stop bashing others?
5. you seem to have fun posting links to old threads where i did argue with others over issues that actually are not your problem. Here I would like to point you back to 1. where "past is past".
Furthermore id like to point out that i easily could point ppl to at least the same amount of threads where you did the same. The fact that I have not done that here actually was meant to show a good will.
6. the offer i was going to make towards TSP showed my good will to resolve the issues between the communities aswell (until a certain point where ppl suggested i would side with hackers), actually doing so was already the first step which was clearly turned down in this thread
7. the FL archives will return to TLR and after this long debate this is my only demand.
7.1. The old TLR database will be hosted at TLR as it is clearly TLR property.
The ownership was handed over from BP to mental, from him to azza and now to me. I have started to integrate the old TLR database backups right into the new TLR site where it belongs.
7.2. I dont want to be unfair... none of the data will be changed or deleted... and you have the free right to access that data at TLR. There will be no restrictions.
7.3. I also grant you the right to keep a copy/backup of that database that you can upload again IF TLR has to shut down for any possible reason
7.4. I want that the current FL archives are removed from hosting
7.5. I am not making any demands to hand over the converted database to me (this is not needed)
7.6. as legit owner of lancersreactor (since yesterday) aswell as old and new administrator of that site can make it happen by law
of course it is not my intention to force this demand in such a way so
7.7. as alternative option here is my suggestion:
you believe that you have the right to host the TLR database (TLR property that you never had the right or permission to host) because worfey was able to convert and include it into a new forum (that was a previous statement of this thread).
So how about if i crawl TSP (should not take long) and host the TSP database, all the threads, posts and members at TLR. I am of course allowed to do that because i have the ability. You took the old TLR and in exchange I take the current TSP. Sounds fair to me.
Cause and reaction... remember this principle?
8. i suggest you finally stop telling around that azza and i would side to cause damage to others. In fact Azza is not TLR owner anymore, he does not belong to the TLR staff aswell as he does not belong to the SWAT Portal. There are no connections between me and him and he is as much member of TSP as he is on TLR. So if you believe that he is hacking your servers then you should be aware that he is a TSP member and that your problems with him are not my problems (and i say that because it is the same answer i once got from you).





Do you really want to keep this going on or is there at least the chance to resolve the issues?
Clearly this is the very last time that I reach my hand to prevent further troubles. If you want let the past go then you should be willing to let things finally drop. I am willing to do the same.


Excuse me now, I have a few communities to run. U know... helping players... getting old players back... getting new players to join... talking to server admins and such stuff.
Ill check back in a few days to see if the bashing keeps going on.

Posted on: 2010/10/26 17:46
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Re: Brrr and wut wit TLR?
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1. I dont make such statements out of personal reasons. I make them because it happened this way. "submission done" in my eyes still means "submission done" and not "submission is lost in space" -> excuse this example plz. I have personally posted that news just like i have done it to several other FL sites and moddb. I also have submitted a video, which i have to admit really got posted (after a very long waiting time). Huor has submitted news to TSP that was written by one of our members and as he has told me he also did a forum post just to make sure that nothing gets lost. Knowing huors skills i can clearly say that he knows how to hit a "submit" button.
Writing a PM to you is a matter i clearly tried to avoid after the fine talks we had in the past. That the submitted stuff was either not posted or with massive delay was actually answer enough.
Probably you just have a moderative problem, I dont know.

2. Last time ive been here, that was just a few weeks ago you actually have denied much of the stuff i did. And that is also something that really bothers me aswell as the fact that stating a different opinion always leads to flames here. I am clearly not used to that from other FL communities.

3. i currently dont see the point that point 3 was refering to so ill skip it

4. "The split was caused by MentalChaos and later AzzA and Knife, nobody else." ok, let me get this straight
the community did split because MC was an asshole? With that statement I originally would be able to live.... if I wouldnt have offered a free hosting package to TLR prior the TLR meeting in november 2007 that would have kept TLR alive and TLR ownership at the old owners.... that of course is not matter of problem... matter of problem is that someone (I am not calling names now) has muted me during that meeting and voiced big plans during that meeting. Well that is how MC got in charge. So actually MC is not the only one guilty. I know what ive done wrong, and ive no reason to hide it but i also know how to repair the damage, and that is exactly what i am trying to do.

5. I dont intent to keep the archives online. I intent to re-build TLR with everything that was written from the very first day till now, fully usable. I do what I have offered in 2007 (unfortunatly under the same good conditions). The content of the TLR databases belongs to TLR and to nobody else. (it is this way by law btw.)

6a. admiting a misread
but at the same time i probably should mention that OUR community bar linked to TSP for about a year (the link got a removed when this thread here appeared)

6b. Reminder on the discussion (or whatever you want to call it) at FLC. Exactly there people complained about your bar and the fact that during that time you didnt appear to listen to their complaints. At that time they requested from me to work on a new kind of community bar... so we started the work. Since the SWAT Portal aswell as Lancersreactor are multigaming sites a Freelancer Community bar does not 100% fit our needs. Next to that I personally consider your way of registration and moderation of that bar... lets say... complicated... too restricted... not free enough for communities. But... that probably does not belong into this topic.

6c. I explain what it has to do with it. You or better to say w0dk4 blamed us for using an own own community bar
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I think what will mostly encourage any split within the FL community is Swat's and now TLR's seperate community network bar.

At the same time you introduce a banner/button exchange fully ignoring that other FL communities already have such a feature? Wouldnt that also split the community if the 2nd community bar does? Btw. did you already know what in fact 3 community bars are in use meanwhile? (just wanted to mention it)
Same rights for everyone, you use your own button exchange so we use our own community bar.

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As Chips said, that sounds suspiciously like a veiled threat. Do you realize to what level you're threatening to go down to?

of course i do
but that clearly depends on if you bring it in connection with this statement
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Therefore, my only fear is that those people will side with OP and cause havoc for sites that are in "competition" with TLR and/or Swat.

or if you point it to statements like this
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We are not afraid of letting people link to other places and websites.

(btw. none of the both communities -> SWAT and TLR had such a policy active)
I actually thought statements like "I am not MC and I am not Azza" are pretty clear.


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Oh and OP, first steps go both ways. I only see demands as if the entire problem was unilaterally OUR fault.

no no no
i came here to make an offer/suggestion
my first post never contained a demand
It clearly was not my duty to come here and inform you about the situation of TLR and make an offer aswell as it never was my duty to make similar offers to other people and FL communities. And while sticking with that it was also not Azzas duty to hand over the site and the domain.
I am not sure if you are actually aware how far I have stepped to make this possible and reach a hand. The response from the begining of this thread (ok ill exclude the first post) was unpleasant. Or in other words (sorry im a german businesman and we really talk this way) "we were kicked in our nuts".

Think about me what you want but i believe in TLR aswell as i believe in the communities that offered their help.
Honestly i have meanwhile given up achieving something here. Maybe it was a bad idea involving TSP at all.
Just one thing: Have you ever considered that your decisions on behalf of the entire FL community (and you have taken yourself such a rights on some of your decisions) might cause problems to other FL communities? It wouldnt be the worst time to think about such a question.

I leave this thread to you now, dont worry i wont reply or visit back

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1. no it is not the news that i was talking about
2. it was not the only news that were submitted to TSP (the news I submitted january during the mod awards also was not posted and there definitly was no problem with the site)
3. if you consider it a threat that i might consider not to allow links to a site that is constantly bashing us, well then i can not change it... take it as a threat, i take it as a possible policy

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Saving a FL community and rebuilding it, getting other FL communities finally to work together, doing decisions together, working on the same project and supporting those communities is a split now? Coming here, despite the respectles content of this thread to make an offer is a split?
Wow, thats an interesting logic.

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No no no Xarian,
why is the stuff that THEY have done in the past, all the troubles they have caused not important anymore? Obviously I get blamed for every small crap, just like e.g. "creating a community bar" or "having an own opinion about some screenshots" aswell as all my work is getting constantly discredited since I have officially left TSP 1 1/2 years ago when these guys started to discuss how to destroy another FL community on the admins board?

The point is I did something nobody of them was interested to do for years, asking Azza to allow me to build up TLR again in order to bring old can new members to the FL community(and probably bringing the community itself a bit closer together). And just a few days later read this thread here where I get bashed, where TLR gets bashed.
I decided to come to this thread to make an offer so the troubles could end and guess what, I get bashed again. I am even being told which software I have to use on my own site, hello?
Judging by this thread and its replies Starport is in no way willing to stop this crap and actively start to support TLR and the other Communities aligned to it. Therefore the TLR administration and leadership aswell as the benefits from it will be shared by the other remaining FL communities that agreed in this kind of cooperation and by those which will join in later.
This was the intention from day one and this is how it will be. I didnt start this project for my personal interests, but I am also not willing to take the blame while others take the benefits. Coz this is happening for several years meanwhile, and i am sick of it.

TLR is back, it will stay that way and become an active and successful Lancer community again... thats a fact.
I am not MC and I am not Azza, I make things happen like i always did.

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guess what... you are right
The FL community is split and no matter how much I try to change that situation some people will never allow me to succeed.
So I stop trying, at least here.


You know, a start would be to allow links and discussions about TSP at TLR.
(Im pretty sure there was a link to TSP in this thread but it could've been AzzA who deleted that post)

Next steps would maybe be a link exchange?
We could also include a link to TLR in our community bar when you include a link to TSP in your community bar.


how about you finally post the news that were submitted by huor about my mod 1month ago

how about you stop denying that the work ive done for the freelancer community

how about you stop denying the help requests that were going into your direction (a little reminder on the very first ones: i asked TSP for help to prevent the GLS shut down as we clearly got an offer to keep it running; another request for help happened when the FL communities where hacked and TSP claimed to be save now)

how about finally admitting TSPs role in the split of the FL communitiy (after all it where TSP admins in charge at TLR during that time, it where the TSP admins in charge of the TLR meeting in 2007 and the hacking happened because of exactly those members)

how about admiting how you w0dk4 prevented the development of a GLS replacement prior the GLS shut down by microsoft eventhough it was known that the support time is almost over (a matter that was discussed at the old TLR and still can be read on the archives)

talking about TLR, how about you remove the TLR archives from the net as they are actually TLR property

and finally you were talking about link exchange... ok
1. how about you let us use OUR software as our needs are different
2. how about you grant others the right to use alternative community bars as several server and community admins requested the creation of it
3. if you think you have to deny us and others the above rights then why dont you use the already existing button link exchange from FLC (same rights for everyone)

you want first steps.... so do them


oh one final comment:
Azzas policy towards TSP regarding links is not neccessary my policy
but in the end it depends on the treatment we receive from TSP (which btw. doesnt look good right now)

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...who ever throws the first stone
make sure to read the comments about me and tlr BEFORE i made my first post

yep right... they side with me to cause havoc... that is of course our intention... and of course i am a person which would allow such ppl to side with me so they can cause that havoc in the name of TLR and SWAT

guess what... you are right
The FL community is split and no matter how much I try to change that situation some people will never allow me to succeed.
So I stop trying, at least here.

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...and i dont like when ppl claim i would do illegal stuff and intent to damage other FL communities.

I came to this thread because of some unfair and wrong statements that previously have been done on that thread.
I have stated what is going on at TLR right now, what our intentions are and what people willing to help can expect from the new lancersreactor. In no way I have done any threats towards TSP or its members aswell as I have not set an ultimatum. I made a suggestion/offer. You are free to accept it for the good of the FL community or you can continue to twist my words and blame me for using a different community bar (if that is your only concern). Ever considered that our websites have different needs?

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of course only the others are guilty
I guess I have my answer to that suggestion already

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The only drama since I started to re-build up TLR happened right here on this thread. Comments from people which stated to prefer to see the site gone for good or people made personal statements against me even going so far suggesting that i would probably use illegal methods to harm TSP or other FL sites are completely out of order.
Azza has handed over the site to me (thx for that) and many people from TLR and from other communities want to see TLR back and are willing to help. In fact right now there are 4 FL communities working together to get this Project on its feet. As far as i remember there has been no other cooperation of this kind in the past 3-4 years, so talking about a split FL community is getting somewhat relative these days.
Unlike others i dont like to see a FL community dying and unlike others i dont always think about the personal benefit of my own site. Nobody of you needs to like what happens at TLR right now but... maybe... just maybe you might remember when you blamed me not to support your projects. Exactly the same situation (which btw. happened before several times).

So here is my suggestion:
Those ppl which have a problem that we build up lancersreactor again should stay away from that site and such discussions once any forever, since TLR obviously is not your business anymore.
All others... the people which want to support us... the people which are actually interested in the Freelancer community instead of only being interested in TSP.... these people clearly free to be part of our "community project" and can of course benefit from it.

If you disagree with this suggestion and think that your personal views are more important than the FL community then feel free to continue this drama here.... your loss.

Oh... and one more thing (since i think it has to be said before i leave this place again)...
Those which blame me for not sharing something here should better ask themselves when they went to www.swat-portal.com www.freelancercommunity.net, lancersreactor.org or one of the many other sites out there to share something with the people over there. Sharing should probably work in more than just one direction.

Thank you for reading
goodbye

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probably you better take care of what your own nose and realize how you have act towards others aswell, how you insulted ppl, how you spread false info about them (just like the "you have never posted anything constructive"
but i guess thats not an option to you, the truth doesnt matter if you run a personal vendatta against someone

or better to say with the words of another TSP member "as soon as you post something on there, FF leaps down your throat, he seems a bit sensitive."

well
I think ive spent enough time here to see that nothing has changed, community leaders which still cant follow the rules of their own community. All this has remind me on the old TLR and mentalchaos.
however, we see us in... lets say half a year and take a look if you finally calmed down
bye, bye
and yeah... have a nice day

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nope - you dont have to
just copy it into the exe folder

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yes right - thats an emulated version of it
forgot about that

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