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Re: Re: Freelancer and Windows 10
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Then may be this bundle(os+mobile) is what causing a drama. For me that's simple: an os as kind of object is already made and ms didn't offer any effective fundamental changes in it. It'll take a few more earth spins around the sun before something incompatible might happen to existing infrastructure(new kind of processors, co-processors, games? etc.). Or while 7 receives security updates till 2020, at least.

Can't disagree on latter, the freelancer we know appeared against him

Posted on: 2016/3/7 11:55
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I couldn't help but notice all the mumble about Windows 10, followed by loads of prejudice and misconception. Here's a few words from someone who was basically "born into" Windows::

Ever since Vista people have been complaining about Windows getting heavier and more complex. My first Windows was 98, and I always upgraded to the newer version no matter how harsh the feedback was. Sure, not all versions were really that great, but I must admit I never really had anything that made me say "wow, this is a really bad OS". Sure, I've tried Ubuntu and other interpretations of Linux (as well as several versions of Mac OS), but none of them has really managed to do what Microsoft have been doing with Windows for all these years. None of them was nearly as user-friendly as Windows.

OP-R8R said it all, and I really have nothing to add about the OS itself. I just think that it's much more competent to go ahead and try it, deal with all the issues you think you might have and eventually enjoy what Windows 10 has to offer rather than complaining about what it doesn't.
There's that old saying that says: "If nobody's going to do it for you, do it yourself." So if you'd rather build your own fully personalized OS than use Windows 10, make it your doing (or hire a crew to do it for you). Go and make the changes you want to see.

Posted on: 2016/3/7 12:37
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Re: Re: Freelancer and Windows 10
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Windows 10 might not look like a revolutionary step compared to previous versions... it however does many things a bit better.

Windows 7 had hardware limitations which are gone in windows 10.
Windows 8 was a design failure which has meanwhile be corrected due to the user feedback.
Windows 10 is no perfect OS... that simply does not exists... but its easy to use, flexible and pretty powerful when you compare it to previous versions.
Like I stated earlier... it still has problems... it is relative new... drivers still have to be bug fixed in some cases... old games require the no-cd cracks due to the missing safedisc driver (which actually isnt supported for years already). Its not perfect but its clearly a good future proof alternative.

Future proof (and there we get to the revolutionary improvements) because it is has modular design.
You mentioned it... what happens if there are new kinds of hardware standards, new kind of software standards... new "infrastructure"?
We of course had this in the past... e.g. the step from 32bit to 64bit. That was a major step which required microsoft to release a new OS version.

Windows 10 was announced to be the last windows version.
If this is true... well I dont know. I can not predict the future of software development. But the new windows is supposed to be fully upgradable, even its core functions. You dont have to buy a new OS just because there is something new on the hardware market.

Just like TheDvDBear I know pretty much all the Windows versions.
I grew up with DOS and then got Windows 95 which was a nightmare to me as during that time I thought "oh great, now the OS is doing stuff and I have no idea what it is". You know... in DOS you had complete control over everything that happend.
But since new games were released for windows now I was forced to use it (putting aside that I already had experience with windows 3.1 and 3.11).
When Windows 98 appeared i also got it right after its release. Today I couldnt even tell why I did that because there was very little difference between these versions.
Same can be said about Windows ME... eventhough I had the feeling that games ran more stable on ME.
XP was then the first Windows that I really liked. It was more stable than all previous versions, it had cool new features, it was faster, it was able to run dx9.
Even today with the security problems of XP I consider it a pretty good OS for the fact that you really could use it to do work (I mean... really work).
Then somewhen windows Vista appeared. Shiny looking and with lots of problems (mostly performance wise). I kept using XP during that time.
About one year after the the Vista release I got a new notebook where Vista was installed and I simply was too lazy to install something different on it. It was a performance nightmare but on the other side it was just a notebook that I barely used.
Windows 7 was a great OS since it was an improved Vista. Good look with all the multimedia parts but this time also with good performance.
It wasnt a "working OS" but good one that you could use at home for multimedia purpose, games, etc.
Windows 8 was in backend a pretty good improvement of Windows 7... the frontend was a design failure when you only looked at PC. The tablet mode and the removal of the desktop simply didnt work well.
That was a bit corrected with version 8.1 but there it already was too late for this OS version to regain the trust of the customers.
Microsoft tried something new with windows 8 and it simply didnt work.
Shit happens.

And now there is Windows 10...

I also worked with all the server versions of windows during all the years... Windows NT and upwards (Server editions).
Here btw. I have to say that the version based on the Windows 8 tech was absolutely great (after I installed a start menu app).

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Re: Re: Freelancer and Windows 10

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SWAT_OP-R8R wrote:
Windows 10 was announced to be the last windows version.
If this is true... well I dont know. I can not predict the future of software development. But the new windows is supposed to be fully upgradable, even its core functions. You dont have to buy a new OS just because there is something new on the hardware market.


Microsoft announced: "We are making Windows a service"
That means the next Windows will be packed under Windows 10's title, but it might be completely different. Just like Mac OS, it will occasionally upgrade, and once a period will have this "major version changing upgrade".
That's what sets the competition to other free OS that work the same way.

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Yes, you are correct.

Posted on: 2016/3/7 19:34
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As usual, corporate shills shamelessly ignore the needs of consumers.
I'd rather trust the experts and actual info, thanks.
Since believing me is too difficult to do (despite tons of verfiable expert results in a simple internet search), I've done the legwork and linked to the most prominent results/info that I could find.

Woody Leonhard:
http://www.infoworld.com/blog/woody-on-windows/

Windows 10 Spyware Detailed (sadly turning off even as described doesn't disable everything as Win10 deliberately ignores those settings):
https://fix10.isleaked.com/

Andy Patrizio of NetworkWorld:
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2 ... tings-user-agreement.html

C Mitchell Shaw of New American:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/co ... 400-windows-10-is-spyware

StackExchange detailed discussion:
http://security.stackexchange.com/que ... w-microsoft-to-spy-on-you

NSA Backdoors in WIndows software (every version post-95) confirmed by cryptographers:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/0 ... r-in-windows-by-1999.html


There is a boatload of information available from computer security and IT professionals across the entire computing industry that point to Windows 10 not being transparant about privacy and security.

The 'forced updates' (that may break your computer) and the fact that these updates have and will likely continue to be this way (without proper disclosure or changelogs) are the main reasons that I discourage anyone with sense from using WIndows 10.

Also I'll completely reject those bullshit '10 to 20% better fps' claims for Win10. There is no magic under-the-hood coding that is automagically making stuff better. There is no 'better version' of previous releases of code that are already on previous versions of Windows. DirectX 9 is still the same as it was since 2010. And the latest .NET 4.6.1 is a free download and backwards-compatible with previous versions of Windows.

When it comes to gaming, Win7 is still the best way to go. I'll leave it at that. If SWAT or any other #$%% idiots want to spew complete garbage, they can feel free to do so but I'm done here.

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Hi all,

As jcdenton2k has pointed out, Win-10 is full of surprises. If there was an award for most problem ridden software, Microsoft would have to take first prize. Frankly, I cannot tell the real difference between Win-7 or Vista. I have two laptops, each running both systems. When Gates was running MS, his big goal was to make Windows an AI operating system, to make computing a joy for the user. I am still waiting for Windows to have the least amount of intelligence.

There is also one piece of information I feel needs sharing. Since the release of Win-10, both of my computers have had failures in doing updates. Coincidence, maybe, but I am one that does not believe in that. I love to read about conspiracy theories, but as it is said, a good conspiracy cannot be proven. So we have to ask ourselves, "After all the years of overpriced software from Microsoft, why is Win-10 suddenly free"? The answer, odd as it seems, is Google. Yes Microsoft is now into the same game, gathering data on each user, to sell advertising (BING!).

As I know this thread is certainly off topic, I will close. And as jcdenton2k is probably thinking, we should avoid Windows advice from MS software peddlers. And note, with Win-10, FreeLancer may suddenly stop working, if MS deems it . I hope Ubantu gets to start working, soon.

Pascal05

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As usual, corporate shills shamelessly ignore the needs of consumers.


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If SWAT or any other #$%% idiots want to spew complete garbage, they can feel free to do so but I'm done here.


I'd watch your language if you don't want to get your ass booted into low orbit on your way out.

I'm going to lock this now because the only thing I'm seeing is a bunch of wanking.

Posted on: 2016/3/10 23:16
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