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I have a GTX 1080 Ti I'd love to do crash testing and debugging with if you'd be willing to let me do a private internal test of it with a Discovery development build.

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Sorry, while I understand that people want to test it themselves, I want to get rid of all bugs I currently am aware of first. Also I want to use it for our mod exclusively for a time period (we are talking about some few months) where I can further polish it. We are currently working on a mod update and this will be very fitting to be included. When I see that there are no unexpected side effects I will create a standalone mod on ModDB which can be used for mods and also works with vanilla FL.

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After the short teaser image here is a video of the current state including the new shadows:

http://www.flnu.net/downloads/fl0512.mkv

Edit: Here is another one.
http://www.flnu.net/downloads/fl0512_2.mkv

Posted on: 12/5 21:14
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So after some fixes and tweaks I am now at the graphics quality level I wanted to achieve. Only one feature is missing, which will even add more to the atmosphere, but I decided to add this after everything is working and maybe even after the initial release.

Here are two videos of the current state:
http://www.flnu.net/downloads/fl1912.mkv
http://www.flnu.net/downloads/fl1912_2.mkv

What's left is getting the performance back again, as the shadows are tanking the fps (it's not optimized yet) plus the remaining fixes. There also seem to be some glitches with the new shadows I need to figure out.

Feedback is as always welcome!

Posted on: 12/18 23:40
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Wenn es bereit zum Testen ist, dann schreibe ich dir auf jeden Fall mein Feedback dazu

Hoffe dass es bald so weit ist, sieht super aus in den Videos!


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Thats a nice breakthrough! You definitely have to test this with some modern models (preferably a ship, with a white light source to negate some misperception) to reveal and test the potential of the stuff.

Some blur on the shadows will be cool too, i mean this:
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Posted on: 12/19 15:32
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Skotty has asked for the same thing. The shadows are currently PCF filtered, but since the resolution is so good now it only has an antialiasing effect.

But shouldn't be shadows in space only hard shadows anyway? The sun is so far away you basically get a point light and there is no atmosphere which scatters the light. This might be different in a nebula, though.

I will see if I can get a high poly model with good textures somewhere. The problem is ideally it also hast height maps since otherwise the self shadowing of the textures does not work. So it would have to use real geometry to make up for this.

@eigos: You'll have to wait a little bit more, but good to know there is nothing in the videos you find unfitting or something like that

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As a game is a simulation with its own issues on every step of evolution of visualisation technology corresponding with perception of a viewer, i can agree that hard shadows are real in an IRL space, but as modern engines are unable to simulate full realism (we still use textures, whether IRL there is no textures but a game of color and reflection of every surface particle we are able to see), and as if this feature provides an advancement on perception of a product compared to a previous generation, that in my opinion may be considered as realistic. We see such shadows every day so i think it is a good option to go. I want to say that sometimes it's ok to implement something that looks better than it is IRL and it may be called realistic if viewer finds it so. Also, FL was never known as real space simulator (like KSP) and i see it shiny and beauty-overkill (what fits its spirit very well) in an aspect of graphics, like an Everspace for example.
Suns in a game or a theoretical game have various sizes with various distances of objects that are near to them as well as brightness, also you've mentioned clouds, so with some dynamic adjustment i see this as a good feature.

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I think I know what you mean. Basically you see things more from an artists viewpoint. I personally like the more realistic touch (which is a matter of opinion) and am not a fan of applying lots of effects (like bright bloom etc). So for me it would look really irritating if I don't get hard shadows in space with no nearby larger light source like a planet. But I suppose since I am used to rendering and image processing I have a lot more trained eyes than the usual user.

I already had started to look for soft shadow solutions, since FL has fake light sources placed at planets (fake reflection) and since they are so close the shadows would indeed be soft. But this isn't an easy topic plus it is not so much important. I'd rather add this after the initial release. For now I need to polish the rest and get it into a usable shape (including ingame GUI for settings etc).

While we're at this topic, since the new shadows have so much higher resolution I was able to enable point lights again and let them cast perspective projected shadows (FL uses them for e.g. fake planet reflections). This works surprisingly well since usually you would have to use cube map shadows. But we are most of the time not so close that this is really visible. So now even the FL explosions cast shadows. There might be cases, where they are wrong, though (being close enough to the light source).

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While I did not have much time I managed to implement rough cubemap reflections. They are way more fitting now

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Also I think I have found a way so that you can use the lighting model in blender and probably port it from there to other modeling software. It is actually quite easy to build your shader pipeline in blender. When I am sure it is really accurate I'll post it here. Then you can see how it will look in your modeling software itself.

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:O Last one looks so sweet, especially the dock and a stuff in it
Cant wait to see what this one is capable of with modern models
We had a lots of modellers on TSP, why can't anyone share something to test?

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Yes, it looks really beautiful!
My plan is to try this one:
https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3 ... -spacecraft-model-1277308
Already got it working in blender with the mentioned shader pipeline. Or do you have a better one?

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if you have Discord, hit me up, I will hook you up with this: https://sketchfab.com/models/e7a1b0d441c74d848f6744fb273eb38e

I have a more detailed model in the works, but it isnt textured yet.
Im experimenting with PBR on bits of the ship, though: https://p3d.in/eodqr

P.S. my discord is eigos #4005

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You said a while back that this wasn't working on Nvidia GPU's and that you didn't have one available? Hmm.....well I do have a 980 Ti laying around, switched over to a Vega 64 in December.

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