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Hi!

I am asking you for a favor, forums friend. Please come back to the forums alive.
If I am religous, I would pray for your safe return, but unfortunally I am not.

That's all I can ask.

(I know you can't read this at the moment since the internet in egypt might be still offline)

Posted on: 2011/3/4 22:50
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Yeah, it should be over soon. Lets just hope none of the Star-Porters died there...

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Seconded.

Posted on: 2011/3/5 14:39
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*Cough*

Guys, i believe Egypt is just safe. I watched the news about event (or revolution says by opposer even disturbance says by CCP), but anyway, it's not war.

Well, in my country China, we live through something similar, The June incident and the Jasmine Revolution. Only different is, those guys not success and the event finally be attribute to "A deliberate disturbance" by other country(imply to USA LOL).

In my watching, I believe if people far away from the center of conflict, they will be safe and life normally. So let's hope for the best, new Egyptian's goverment will done all things better and get the country back to normal.

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Egypt has had turbulence and deaths, but the revolution was overall relatively safe and peaceful. Lots of tensions, but very few actual outbreaks. Incidents, obviously, but they've come out of it very well.

Libya is another story.

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Egypt has had turbulence and deaths, but the revolution was overall relatively safe and peaceful. Lots of tensions, but very few actual outbreaks. Incidents, obviously, but they've come out of it very well.

Libya is another story.


Libya? Yes, that nation controlled by a madman which is be called dear friends of Chinese by CCP(too), really a joke.

Hope none of Starporter there because there may no way to keep safe until chaos come down. Just i think the madman order army to kill citizens.

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People outside do not understand what is the real situation in these countries. You cannot judge others by your own standards.

Western people (we) think Democracy and public choice is the way for everyone when they themselves (we) do not have it but they (we) can't see this. The West itself has made a mockery of democracy, it is not democracy - once we vote in the politicians they take over and make decisions that the majority of the public do not want, this is Oligarchy. It is "rule by a few", without consultation.

Arab countries have different values, including respect for each other, modesty and propriety that the West has given up in favour of exposure, exhibitionism, one-upmanship, self-inflation and "freedom".

Europe has no right to control the UK but does.

Iraq is a prime example and typical of many Arab countries where "democracy" has already led and will continue to lead to more conflict amongst the people themselves, like FL factions they struggle against each other for control.

Without a strong leader there will be more deaths. People were not oppressed, they accepted the corruption at the top and lived contentedly, unless they went against the government, which they rarely did. I have lived and worked in several of these countries. Saddam was the most nasty of all recent Middle Eastern leaders but even he killed only a few of his own people in all his regime, those who tried to depose him without support, compared to how many have been killed by each other since. The entire "West" even supported him in his huge long war against Iran, giving him chemical weapons, experts, technology and "WMDs". Have you all forgotten that?

It is natural for any leader to resist deposition by whatever means he can use. Do you think the UK government will not use force if it is faced with people on the streets shouting and bearing weapons? You saw it recently, remember? The difference is Brits are not prepared to die for their belief. Arab people are.

France, Germany, Spain, Italy, even gentle Holland did use force in the past. Greece does, and it is the leader of democracy still today. There has to be law and order. And corruption. I saw this more than 30 years ago in business in the proud and prim UK which has exposed this very well last year - until then it was just as rife but under covers. How is it that peerages and peers can be bought with money? It is the norm for big business worldwide, so why not the UK?

In Saddam's case it was not only him controlling his public, he was very well supported by the majority of the people - so this is "democracy", even if it is only 51%. In Saddam's case it was 78% support. Smoke that! In the case of Egypt it was higher.

There is always corruption, whoever is at the top will make himself rich and put his family in the best deals and top positions, and the poor people will always be poor.

Gaddafi really was "loved" by his people - the majority, almost 70% again. If he goes the violence will not disappear, nobody can fix their problems and get them back to work. They will fight each other for control, muslim against muslim.

Mubarrak kept the country stable without violence. Now the army is in control and the generals will not want to give up power, so they will try to put in their own "man" in the guise of democracy - what they want is to retain power now that they have it. With a very large population of christians as well as muslims, Egypt is the most religiously tolerant country - at the moment.

Kuwait, Oman, each of the UAE states, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia all have royal families. They have stability and wealth. The poor are helped more than they will admit - all have excellent free hospitals and state schools, as well as private English schools, and all have work, and nobody is hungry.

The people of all of those countries, like here in the UK do not accept the troubles brought on them by this global recession. They come easily into the open to protest, and if angered enough they will take action more readily than "Western" people.

But here the Brits just keep quiet in the open, moan and groan privately, and get blotto, instead of rallying together. One thing Brits cannot do is support each other. Even neighbours don't know each other, how is this better? Go home and close the door. As long as each feels he is not a victim, he will not support the one who is. Then one day he is the victim and nobody else is listening to or supporting him. Today's senior executive who is not doing anything to help today's pensioners is tomorrow's pensioner without his health and without his home. Those execs of the past 20 years lost their super pensions in the insurance frauds, and the money they put in is lost - but nobody is caring for them, tough luck pal.

And how often is someone's property damaged and people who see it stay indoors and turn a blind eye? This won't happen in the Arab countries, the neighbours will come out in numbers and grab the hooligans and call the police. Guarantee the hooligans will be beaten on the way to jail. And that is as it should be.

Leave them alone to keep their balance, the west has failed in this.

Anyway, friends are friends and we hope they are not in danger.

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Im not actually talking democracy or Iraq ST. I just taking a man order he's army shot dissenter with bomb.

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No you are not talking about dissenters. This is not a peaceful protest.

You are talking about factions trying to overthrow a legitimate government backed by the majority of its people (still more than 50%) and who will still not back down after the threat of force was given.

All they had to do was go home.

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No you are not talking about dissenters. This is not a peaceful protest.

You are talking about factions trying to overthrow a legitimate government backed by the majority of its people (still more than 50%) and who will still not back down after the threat of force was given.

All they had to do was go home.


Really? If im wrong, that must be the problem on data source. I apologize about that problem if you saying is true, you know in China, almost news website&forum is blocked most talk about Libya and Egypt.

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Wow, ST, I'd really like you to back up your claims with sources on that one. If you haven't noticed, Gaddafi his bombing his own citizens with utter contempt and disregard for safety. He is a murderer and a manipulator and I am very much glad that the Libyan people is getting rid of the scum.

What you're saying will require some serious sourcing to stand on its own.

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NeXoSE, ever heard of Tor?
And no ST, you simply cannot call them legitimate governments. Backed by 50% of it's citizens? [citation needed]

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NeXoSE, ever heard of Tor?
And no ST, you simply cannot call them legitimate governments.


Tor? That things already got banned even bridge. Now i use another tool made by "reactionist" to pass the GFW. But i just use it to visit website like Youtube, Twitter even Android development and Python website.

Yes, just for the simple reason to made me using proxy. and some dissenters In my eyes is ... frantic, and saying not very true. The lastest joke they made is the Jasmine Revolution in China, which only about 7 or 10 people "joined" Revolution (And almost over thousands of people joined the "circusee". I really caring about is the people who try to stick up for their rights by law but got injustice.

Since Google start to support IPv6, all things coming better, because GFW not support keyword detection and IP blocking with IPv6 yet, so i can open Youtube without any proxy tool. And that's why i can upload video to Youtube.

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Tor? That things already got banned even bridge.
Huh. Can't really say I didn't expect that. Does I2P work?

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Personally, I think the majority of citizens in the middle east just want their voice to be heard.

None of us really know what any of them think because they don't have the right to free speech, they don't have a free press so only the message handed down by the state is heard.

They may have accepted the status quo for so long because they didn't have the internet, but now that they can connect with each other via facebook and twitter and finally communicate, they are discovering that they finally do have a voice, and they are all feeling the same way, pissed off with the way things are and willing to do something about it.

The internet has also given them the opportunity to see other parts of the world without having to travel, I'm guessing that it's probably shattered the illusion that the western world is some kind of monster war machine and that it's actually full of normal people just like them, but living relatively free.

I really hope, regardless of the consequences, that all country's adopt democracy, get free speech and a free press.

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