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Re: how do you make flzip with windows 7
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WoW runs on netbooks. Warcraft 3 too. Guild Wars runs on any computer released within the last 7 years. My point is that even if you get a 50% hit, going from 200FPS to 100FPS is unnoticeable.

Can hardly discuss with you here since I am very uninformed about the performance stuff. But as for Warcraft III I can say there doesn't seems to be such much of a performance malus, as it didn't run smoothly at my Windows XP I can judge about it a bit. Plus, actually, I have a very old PC from about ~2004, 1 GB RAM, 2.1 Ghz single-core processor, ATI Radeon 9550.
So, it isn't just the case that it just isn't noticable and runs badly, I personally have encountered totally the contrarity with Warcraft III (Note: WC 3 is from 2002/2003).
Also, Wine doesn't emulate a windows environment but ports the applications instructions to the linux ones, from what I do know.
http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-c9e65 ... e905d07f7e44594757a6738e3

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But going from 30 to 15 is horrible. The Wine people purposefully avoid speaking of benchmarks because it is IMPOSSIBLE not to get a performance hit, and for games that already cause lag on Windows, it can be a make or break issue.

Even Linux diehards agree that it isn't for games.

Well, this is wrong as well. It isn't such a gaming platform as windows, true, but some indie developers make games for Linux as well (also commercial ones). Also, it is suspected that Steam is going to publish it's games for Linux as well.

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Valve has announced their support for Linux, mostly since they're porting them to OSX. Doesn't mean you'll see more than Half-Life out there.

Warcraft 3 was an extremely popular game that, compared to modern games, uses very few advanced techniques. I damn well hope it'll run good on Wine, or you'd be in serious troubles.

And I know it isn't an emulator (it's in the name), but ANY layer between the OS and the application causes a hit in performance. When you need to translate the entire DirectX layer into OpenGL, this can be substantial.

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Many games do support OpenGL by themselves.

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Go ahead and look at popular games and tell me that with a straight face again.

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Warcraft III? xD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OpenGL_programs

There are also some "newer" titles using it.

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All I'm seeing are id and Valve games, plus older games back when OpenGL didn't feel as lagging behind. You're in denial now Bas

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+ Some of the X games.

Well, I never said that LInux is a larger gaming plattform than Windows. But it is simple wrong to say that you can't play any games at it or that they aren't suuuuch much games you can play at it.

Plus, who knows, maybe Valve is just one of the first publishers which creates linux games.


Interestingly, there was a so called humble-bundle. 5-6 games, you donated each price you were willing to in order to get them. If you wanted to do so you could have paid just 0.01 U$D. Now the interesting part: the average Linux user donated almost twice as much as the average windows user did. (Linux: ~14 U$D, Windows ~7 U$D). Actually this proofs that Linux users are willing to pay for software they like adn that they don't only use linux cause it is free as in beer (but more as in freedom).

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Just FYI, wine 1.2 got released:
http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.2

They also state that the support for Dx got improved by a lot.

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