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Hey all,
Keep in mind Microsoft is not providing any backward support for compatibility in their new Win 10. Next year, if you did all your updates, you will be forced into a Win 10 upgrade, without your permission, or approval. It is a sad time to us all, but MS has to be number one.

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Posted on: 2015/11/13 22:15

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Windows 10 is going from optional to recommended. It is not forced.

Please stop spreading FUD again.

Posted on: 2015/11/14 2:05
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here is some information to help you opt out
http://www.sevenforums.com/general-di ... pdates-windows-7-8-a.html

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I see no reason not to upgrade to windows 10.
It runs great here (with just one exception and that is driver issue which soon receives a fix).

and for the old games there are still the no-cd fixes

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I opted out of W10 and there's dozens of failed auto-attempts of MS trying to install it.

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Just a notable update to this issue with Windows 10 and Gaming (not just FreeLancer but all games) since this is a 'stickied' thread.

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/11/24/bewa ... e-programs-automatically/

Windows 10 may auto-remove any programs/drivers/software without any warning or notice to the user (only notification AFTER the deed is done) because reasons.

That issue alone is enough to completely reject Win10 and recommend everyone avoid it. This is not to even go into the creepy privacy and horrid security concerns that the current Win10 'ecosystem' has exploited.

Win10 has an embedded keylogger and will always log everything you ever type and send it to Microsoft (and any other entities they work with). Microsoft themselves have confirmed this 'telemetry' is unable to be completely disabled and blatantly ignores the user-specified settings across 13+ different locations to disable privacy-invading things.

There are also stability issues of unstable drivers and updates the force-install unless you do a techy workaround using a seperate download just to uninstall and block the buggy update.

Then there are the security issues of forcing Win10 upon users that may not have any idea of what is going on or why. Last I checked, Win10 fits all the definitive points of being 'malware'.

All these actions are done without informed permission or consent of the user.

-Downloads GBs of data in the background unless you happen to do a 'metered connection' workaround and be tech-saavy enough to be aware of this in advance.

-Attempts to hide and mask the Win10 directories for downloading data & installing it.

-Keylogger that can't be turned off or disabled for sensitive information (banking/financial details, etc) as long as the computer is running the OS.

-Automatically sharing WiFi passwords with others by DEFAULT.

-Resetting user-disabled settings and preferences.

-Uninstalling software without warning or notice until AFTER uninstalls.

-Modifying/adding/removing software without warning or notice until afterwards.

-Forcibly popping up the 'Your Upgrade is Ready' popup without a visible 'Decline' option.

No thanks to malware; will stay on Win7 till the heat-death of the universe

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There's so much wrong in that post that I can't even be bothered to answer.

I'll just say this: there's a lot of people with zero knowledge in computers saying that Windows 10 is bad. Those people are hopelessly wrong, but convincing them is pointless.

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A lot of the stuff he mentioned was covered in IT news. I don't know if everything is true what he wrote, but most of the points were familiar to me. I guess the keylogger part comes from here: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/n ... -to-watch-your-every-move .

They also let devices download full windows 10 installations in the background and have really nagging update popups.

The WIFI password sharing also was in the news.

All in all I can understand when people are skeptical. I myself am not sure what to make of it, especially the forced update stuff. I expect there will be times when people can't use their PC because of malfunctioning updates (which we recently had even for Windows 7).

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Quote:

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There's so much wrong in that post that I can't even be bothered to answer.

I'll just say this: there's a lot of people with zero knowledge in computers saying that Windows 10 is bad. Those people are hopelessly wrong, but convincing them is pointless.


FF I knew an awful ot about computer systems in general and enough to use any version of Windows to 7, but I don't yet know much about Windows 10.

What is wrong with the statements/rumours above?

What are the serious let's call them "disappointments"?

At the same time, bear in mind we truly can't trust anyone to tell the entire truth any more. Lenovo has been manufacturing IBM's laptops for a long time and has recently bought out the server production from IBM as you probably know.

Two years ago the UK government forbade IBM employees from bringing in their Lenovo laptops to government sites, and presumably this also means all Lenovos used by any person.

They were preceded by the US government but then took the time to investigate and found proof of hardware back doors and data logging tunnels before they exercised the ban. These are not "vulnerabilities", but actually implementations in firmware and hardware.

In passing, can we trust the Chinese? No. They are completing the construction of 6 massive aircraft carriers each carrying up to 450 warplanes. That's 2,400 fighter/bombers. Late last year they signed an agreement with an East African state (look it up) for a colossal Naval Base on the pretext of hunting pirates. That gives them control as far as India, Australia, and the Antarctic.

Paid for by us buying colossal amounts of faulty landfill from them.

They also have nuclear weapons and spacecraft technology. Many years ago they sent in 450 tanks into Cambodia on a 4-day exercise. A good number of them were destroyed by Cambodia, but they completed their exercise and turned round and went back home. The "incident" was hushed up quickly by our countries because Mr Clinton wanted to sign trade agreements with China - he was even sabre-rattling two weeks beforehand, threatening sanctions. Which resulted not in the US exporting as they wished, but in the US and all our EU countries excitedly buying bottom-end rubbish from China. Can you not imagine the premier saying "Mr Clinton, you seek to threaten us with sanctions and even military intervention? We can afford to lose 1 million soldiers every day, Mr Clinton. How many do you have?". Never poke a hornets nest which dwarfs all other nations on earth.

The common Chinese people are nice, innocent, and mostly very kind. But their nation is not a friend.

No smoke without fire.

I'm interested in your views on the Windows 10 back door/weaknesses/concerns.

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Sorry,Ive to agree with FF here.
Most of the "problems" and fears come from users with little knowledge about the new OS.

Windows 10 is great if you ask me.
It is stable, it is fast, it is good looking... it really can be used to work and also play around with it.

The fears about privacy are of based on the features that come with windows and also the terms under which you can use the OS.
Microsoft had to write such terms in order to get such features distributed to the end user without violating any laws.
Is that a problem?
No.
Because you have very simple options to turn these features off.
"Do you want keylogging enabled?" Yes/No... make a decision.
"Do you want Cortana to listen to you or submit your local position data?" Yes/No... make a decision.

Thats not a big deal.
Everytime you google something you reveil much more information about you than Windows can collect on default settings.
Turn off these features in your windows privacy settings and nothing gets submitted.
It is your choice.

It is also your choice how updates are getting done.
There are plenty of easy to understand settings.
And if you dont find the setting you are looking for on the new windows10 settings then open up the old control panel and do the settings there.

Windows 10 in my eyes is pretty good and worth using it.
In the end you probably wont even get around using it due to the directx12 support of upcoming games.
But even older games (with a few exceptions) run perfectly fine.
Most modern games I have tried so far after switching to windows 10 got 10-20% higher FPS, which might be related to the improvements to the old dx code and also the newly released drivers.

Most old games run perfectly fine... and yes... there is this safedisc issue which prevent many old games to run due to their copy protection. Guess what... who cares... there are plenty of no-cd cracks on the net.

To be fair I have to mention that windows 10 is not a perfect OS. It has its problems.
Especially after upgrading from window7 I had problems with the start menu and cortana not responding. Thats really an issue.
But windows 10 has auto repeair functions build in... you can run them and these problems are gone.

Another issue I had for nearly half a year was that Elite Dangerous was lagging like hell in a specific game mode. Reason was a problem with the GPU drivers. That problem eventually was fixed by AMD.
I have a similar problem in another game (same symptoms) and I am pretty sure that this also is just a driver problem that is going to get fixed.

In my eyes the drivers are the main problem atm.
But I consider this normal... we got a new directx version with windows 10... and unlike before this new dx does not only add new features on top of the other versions.... no... it also has improved the old dx code of the previous versions.
Its just normal that GPU drivers need to be "adjusted" to the new environment. Its a matter of time until everything is running perfectly smooth.
An no Windows version ever did run without driver problems during the first year.

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Looks like they developed it for themselves, not for us. They're alone with their garbage options, senseless services, help that's available exclusively in the web and other their personal illusions they live in.

Vulkan has been released. Marketplace is 7. 2 + 2 = 4. The industry can't be biased completely neither so blind. ms introduced dx12 in the manner so everybody around thought it's absolute monopoly and now that turns out a lie and usual as expected pr in the past.

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Sorry ST, I have little interest in droning out the same stuff, especially considering most people in this thread wouldn't be swayed either way.

I'll just say there's a lot of leaps of logic online.

Posted on: 2016/3/6 13:07
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Hey guys,

I split the topic and moved this to General Discussion because to be honest this is all very off-topic

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Looks like they developed it for themselves, not for us. They're alone with their garbage options, senseless services, help that's available exclusively in the web and other their personal illusions they live in.

Vulkan has been released. Marketplace is 7. 2 + 2 = 4. The industry can't be biased completely neither so blind. ms introduced dx12 in the manner so everybody around thought it's absolute monopoly and now that turns out a lie and usual as expected pr in the past.


I hardly can follow you here on that.

Of course microsoft is a company which wants to make profit... just like ALL other companies. You know, employees have to be paid, new products have to be developed...etc.
Other than that I have no reason to believe that they only developed it for themselves.
Infact Windows 10 is highly influenced by user feedback. Unlike other windows versions before Microsoft did listen to the users and in my eyes they did a fairly good job at turning this feedback into a working product.

What you call garbage options and senseless services in my eyes is absolutely normal and had to be done in that way.
You completely seem to ignore that windows 10 is a cross platform OS. It works on PC, it works on tablets, it works on mobile phones.
That some features and options (such as the keylogger) dont make sense on PC seems to hyped as work of the evil company. People which do this completely ignore the fact that exactly these features make perfect sense on mobile devices. And thats what they were developed for.

Its not that Microsoft developed any hidden malware crap in their OS. No, that are open, public and easy to config features.
If i remember correctly you get even pointed to the privacy options during or after the installation.

I really dont get it why people have such negative opinons on something that is absolutely normal. You have to take a look at the whole picture. Windows 10 was not exclusively developed for PC. You can not judge about features that were developed for mobile devices when your focus is only on the PC.

Microsoft made it as easy as possible to deactivate and config features which are not for your platform. There is nothing hidden, there is nothing thats confusing... no misinformation.
Microsoft even kept the old control panel for the PC users which are more familiar with that.
How much more user friendly and open could/should it be?

Next to that.... you get a brand new, much better working OS for FREE. I dont know what you are complaining about.
Sorry, I simply dont understand that.

Maybe its just the general "Microsoft is evil" opinion... dunno.
Afterall there are still enough people around which claim that microsoft is responsible for what happened to digital anvil and that Freelancer would be so much better without Microsoft.
Thats pure nonsense. Chris Roberts messed up the development of FL... the development took much longer than originally intended and of course much more expensive. FL as project was about to die in 2001 and microsoft did what had to be done to get the game released (including redesigning it).
What we got was a great game... thanks to Microsoft and the new lead designer which replaced Chris Roberts in 2001.

Microsoft is of course a company that works for its own benefit... but the point is that its not a bad company that only does evil stuff.
You have to look at the whole picture to understand that things are not as bad as some people claim.

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